Tuesday, April 26, 2005

Thou shalt not go clubbing?

I've just been listening to somone say that they can't go clubbing anymore, or listen to normal music, because they're a Christian. Argh.
I don't have a problem with them deciding that they shouldn't go clubbing, or listen to normal music. But what this says is that someone can't be a Christian if they go clubbing or if they don't like Christian industry music.

19 comments:

Trav said...

Then i would be a Christian for the things i do not do, which of course is largely how Christians are viewed. They don't drink, go clubbin or listen to non-Christian music. If this is the standard for Christianity, would Jesus make a very good Christian?

John M said...

no he would have made for a good, drunk crazy, violent lunitic.

Anonymous said...

Most christian music is crap anyway, Just because I follow Jesus i cant listen to good music.........wateva

Christop said...

Unfortunately, the Christian music industry also ensures that bands can make money without being good. Some people will buy the music simply because it is 'Christian'.

John M said...

Yes but also, if you actually look and try to find some, you will find some good music no matter what Genre or kind you like that is performed by christians. And most "christian" music isn't crap! There is heaps of good stuff out there, and if you actually knew what you were talking about ,anonymous, and had anything real to say, you should try writing your name or some sort of identifier instead of making crap remarks and then commenting as Anonymous

Christop said...

Hey, everyone, please be careful. Please don't make personal comments, and try not to take general comments personally.

Anonymous said...

hi everyone. I've seriously been debating this issue for the longest time. Going clubbin was a regular thing 4 me, it's only recently that i have began to question clubbin. I think as christians we are supposed to try and gloroify God in everything, we do, however is going clubbing really doing this. i use't to think as long as i'm not doin ne thing wrong in a club it's fine, i dnt get drunk or high or dance prevocatively with every tom dick and harry, therefore i'm not doin anything wrong. However we have 2 remember that the music that they play in clubs is often sinful and is full of crude lyrics, Talking about how i fu**ed this girl this day, shot this boy that day, I no that this may not be trur for all music but it is for majority do go along these lines. I'm more of an rnb kinda girl, and a dvd i watched called the truth about hip hop really opened my eyes. It made me wonder how i could dance along to someone whose singing things that totally contradict what i believe, and dance to artists that openly state in their songs that they are opposed to God.
Christian music also isn't crap, if u think music that is bigging up your heavenly father is , then i think u really need to think about that again. i've been hearing some really good gospel tracks n i'm sure there should be some good rock n indie one's.
The bible calls us not to conform to wordly things and I think clubbin is wordly thing. I'm not saying clubbing makes you a christian, and if you can go there and glorify God then good on you.
Sometimes i find it hard, and i'm in my first year of uni, i've gone from a girl who use't to be a clubber holic to a girl who really don't go at all. I teNd not to listen to secular, music but if i'm in a shop or in a restaurant i won'tdo anything stupid like block up my ears. i also think that we shouldn't forget that god's voice can also be heard in some secular music too. Sorry i've written so much, this is a subject that i muself am dealing with. I really don't believe in christians that stick to only christians and have non christian friends. I have loads, but i'm just trying to influnce me more than me being influenced by them.

Lisa C. aka Trophy of Grace said...

I used to love clubbing every weekend. But the more I began going to church and reading the bible my desires starting changing. I would still go to the club or bar but I noticed that every time I went I was perceiving my surrounds much differently. It's like a veil had been lifted off of my eyes. What used to seem like so much fun now seemed dangerous and destructive. The majority of the girls are dressed so provocative that it's almost impossible for men not to look at them and have lustful thoughts. Most of the people are excessively drinking and dancing has become mainly bumping and grinding. I just don't find anything lack of self control appealing any more. I don't feel like I am missing out on anything. The fact is that when we become true followers of Christ we become new creatures. Different from the world and it's ways. That's why we are referred to as peculiar. Which is fine by me..In regards to Christian music. There are some awesome gifted Christian artists (Toby Mac, Mercy Me, Mary Mary, Rebecca St.James, Kirk Franklin,)I personally chose not to listen to most secular music or "regular" music any more because it speaks of idolizing material things and money, sex,infidelity, partying, just foolishness. It does nothing to edify the listener. What we listen to will eventually come out of our mouth and out of the mouth we can speak words of life or words destruction. I chose life..

Christop said...

Wow, people are still commenting on this post...
I respect your choice not to go clubbing. I get that for a lot of people going clubbing (and possibly listening to mainstream music) is really strongly tied to unhelpful behaviour. I also think it's important for people and communities to work out for themselves whether going clubbing is a good idea for them or not. I think that if people are able to go clubbing without any harm to themselves, they might actually be able to have a positive influence on the club environment, helping to bring about God's Kingdom in that place.
At the same time, I don't go clubbing, because I've just never been interested.

daughter of destiny said...

How can this be true??? "helping to bring about God's Kingdom in that place." ??? Nothing happens in night clubs but the devil's work. There is NOTHING of God there. The devil loves the drunkenness, promiscuity, perversions, negative influence, bondage and fall of God's people. This is not God plan for us.
I was presented this question a few days ago. "What does the Bible say about night Clubs?" As I researched the topic I came across this posting. I shared with my best friend and we both decided to comment on your blog.
If you are a Christian and read the bible you will know that these verses tell us exactly what the bible says: Galatians 5:18-21, Romans 13:12-13, 2 Corinthians 6:3. The bible clearly states that these people will not inherit the Kingdom of God!
Yes people and communities can work it out for themselves, if clubbing is a good idea for them.. but saved people know its NOT. I highly doubt God is even mentioned, if He is its His name taken up in vain. God is NOT glorified in a night club atmosphere.

Christop said...

If it is the case that nothing happens in nightclubs but the devil's work (I don't think that is the case) don't you think that it would be good if a whole heap of people who won't take part in the devil's work went in there, wouldn't that undermine the devil's control over the place? Wouldn't that be an invasion? I'm not talking about going to nightclubs to try and get laid.
I don't think it's true that there is northing of God in nightclubs. Human beings may be fallen, but all human beings are still created in the image of God, and cannot help but show God's goodness.

Anonymous said...

So following your theory Christop, should we go to strip bars, whore houses, etc to invade those places in God's name? Of course not!!! God doesn't want us immersing ourselves in sin, even if we don't directly take part!

We can pray for and talk with the people who go clubbing in other environemnts to try help them.

Are you also saying that people will show God's goodness as they go clubbing? We WERE created in God's image and goodness, but sin corrupted all there. Human beings without Jesus in their lifes will always show more sin than goodness.

Christop said...

Yes I believe there are people who are called to go into strip clubs and brothels and to be holy people in those places. But I don't believe I'm called to go to those places, or to nightclubs. I don't think anyone who would struggle to be a good representative for Christ in those setting should go there, but I know that there are people who are capable of representing Christ in those places.
I think it's interesting that we find it hard to believe that God would want Christians in these places because of the sin that goes on there, but we don't usually have much problem with Christians being in other settings where a lot of sin goes on, such as the corporate world or the military.

Anonymous said...

WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CLUB? PLEASE READ!

It was designed by satan to deceive you! Satan has 6000 years on us y'all, he is no joke and unless you are born again, God cannot reveal things in the spirit.

A club used to be called a sanctuary, designed to create a surreal atmosphere that would take one out of their natural state of mind or give someone a natural "high."

See, what most people don't know is that your heart beats at a certain rhythm and anytime that rhythm is disrupted, your brain losing oxygen. Of course the severity of oxygen loss depends on the situation. In terms of a club, the music and lights throw your biorhythms off just enough to cause you to lose consciousness and take you out of your natural state of mind.

Of course you won't pass out but all satan needs is for you to be out of your "right" mind. This then opens you up to demonic infestation! You thought you were just going out to have a good time, now you don't understand why you have all these issues in your life.

The Bible tells us to guard our heart with all diligence (Proverbs 4:23). The Bible also tells us that the people parish for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6).

The question that has to be answered is, "What does God have to say." I often see posts that include opinions like, "I see nothing wrong with going to the clubs or I think it's okay to listen to secular music." The problem with opinions is that they are based on feelings...and we all know that feelings change everyday. When it comes to life and spiritual things, we should always consult the scripture!

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Sheldon said...

Amen to that. This world is being decieved, and I have just got home from not actually going clubbing, but being in a clubbing environment having a drink and listening to a techno song in the car on the way home. It's such an awesome song, but man, when i hear it, theres something about it... powerful, almost spiritual about it! Thanks so much for everybody who posted on this blog, It's always up to the individual what they want to do, as we are going to be the ones held accountable when we stand in front of God.

What will you choose to fill your life up with?

tamara said...

you know there are christian night clubs with good music, how about that? i think everyone has a good point and im so glad people get together to talk about this, may god bless all of you in your journeys and for your knowlage and input.
Tamara

Unknown said...

Facts are good about to listening the music and about the clubbing and Christian Industry Music is also good and great to know.

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Anonymous said...

Wow! This is so helpful. Yet confusing. :/ I am a firm believer n the law of attraction. So I know as long as I am positive evrything will be fine. I just can't put my finger on how GOD feels about the club. Like if JESUS came would he I want him to see me there? Then still I don't drink or smoke so I won't be doing anything wrong? You know I do know. They BIBLE says seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and its righteous all these things shall be added uto you. So as long as we are all trying to determine whether its right or worng. We are all truly trying to do GODS will. That's all he really asks. BLESSINGS...

opamps said...

I've always thought of clubbing just as dancing, socializing and having fun. :) Avoid drinking, behaving badly, don't dress that promiscuously and don't grind with people... it's not like you can't reject them. Why can't you just dance by yourself (well like obv you're with your friends, but by yourself as in not grinding)? I really see it as exercise... and you can get a lot of it clubbing. Exercise == taking care of the body God gave you and not being a fat gluttonous pig == glorifying God. Again, just avoid the aforementioned inappropriate behaviour.